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Big Oil looks at pipeline alternatives

Times Colonist - Vancouver -- As battles rage over the Northern Gateway and Keystone XL pipelines, governments & energy companies look at other options for transporting oilsands crude to foreign markets. They include rail, a pipeline through the Northwest Territories/shipping oil to Eastern Canada.

Billions of $$$ are on the line but, as the proposed there are potential pitfalls.

B.C.'s demands for supporting the Trans Mountain pipeline proposals - including receiving its "fair share" of the economic benefits from Alberta and Ottawa - are sparking uncertainty over the future of the projects, which would ship oilsands crude from northern Alberta to the West Coast.

In the U.S., the Keystone XL pipeline, can carry oilsands crude from northern Alberta to the U.S. Gulf Coast, has turned into a political football

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Submitted Aug 12, 2012 By: MidNJ

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Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,003 Points:1,111,445 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:54:54 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Hyegas....have you been kegging your koolaid?
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,003 Points:1,111,445 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Aug 15, 2012 8:39:00 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Cake don't worry.... Spotter uses the braille method to do his spotting.... Spotz either was too blind or didn't even comprehend his own comments.... "Gnusman53 - This was found from a source that is not Fox News:President Barack Obama’s Energy secretary unwittingly created a durable GOP talking point in September 2008 when he talked to The Wall Street Journal about the benefits of having gasoline prices rise over 15 years to encourage energy efficiency. Three points Spotz missed -- 1) WSJ is owned by Murdock and the editorial page has made even Murdock look like a liberal. 2)You prefaced Chu's quote with the umbrella comments about the benefits of having high gas prices but in reality, the WSJ also asked how the U.S. could really improve energy efficiency and mileage like in Europe.... 3)There was much more to Chu's quote but you left that out..... (either by design or ignorance) So, you blew it big time Spottie....(or as in baseball three strikes and you are out!!!) “Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”"So this attributed statement is a lie? I think not!" -I agree with your comment --- you think not. That was just a small part of his quote.As to your lame attempt at calumny .... it just underlines and puts exclamation points on your bountiful and numerous shortcomings.... "Gnusman53 - You're nothing but a leftist Communist pig....and a lousy "Newsman". Since I deal in facts, thanks for calling me a newsman.... I will wear that badge with pride. Darn, the Army didn't consider me a commie when I was covering your metaphoric rear for years overseas.... I'm shocked (grin)... Next, he'll came me a Kenyan or anti-colonial..... As for being a leftist..... hmmmm... just shows how far to the right you and others have gone.... but then, I would be in the same company as Eisenhower, Nixon (Oh No!!!!-- grin) and Reagan..... those leftist Communist pigs (grin)...... I make light of your attempts to diverge into the personal realm for a simple reason. You didn't try to deal in facts, just attacking. Next time spotter... find the facts... the real facts and focus on that aspect. BTW, look up gnus in the dictionary. You might get closer to the origins of my gasbuddy name. And that still doesn't change my stated position on the topic of this thread Spottie.
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PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,074 Points:1,448,325 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 8:39:53 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse 30mpg80: Trains are much more fuel efficient than trucks And the rail lines are already in place.
30mpg80 Champion Author Lexington Posts:10,033 Points:1,487,855 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 2:46:04 PM Ignore 30mpg80 Report Abuse Trains are much more fuel efficient than trucks
FuelishGuy All-Star Author Edmonton Posts:796 Points:924,560 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 10:53:35 AM Ignore FuelishGuy Report Abuse One alternative would be spending the money on building refining capacity at the source and truck/rail the refined products to markets. However, you'll never get Trans Canada or Enbridge to buy into that since it's not what they do.
Sego Veteran Author Florida Posts:383 Points:70,305 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 10:42:12 AM Ignore Sego Report Abuse drill and pipe it to us
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,185 Points:1,117,865 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 10:40:47 AM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse A pipeline is the way to go.
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sljbc475 Champion Author Tucson Posts:4,220 Points:872,375 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 9:41:24 AM Ignore sljbc475 Report Abuse Ship it, put it on rails, or trucks to get the crude to the US.
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northeast2 Champion Author New York Posts:3,849 Points:1,007,200 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 6:43:56 AM Ignore northeast2 Report Abuse It's called a freight rail line.
APlus Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,918 Points:991,445 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 6:29:31 AM Ignore APlus Report Abuse What is a common carrier for public common benefits to seize land - Keystone pipeline is only one for Profit company and does not comply!
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lgwhitlock Champion Author Chico Posts:7,385 Points:1,685,495 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 3:54:02 AM Ignore lgwhitlock Report Abuse We certainly need to learn how to be a good ally to our neighbors instead of killing pipelines like the Keystone XL...
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spotterFL Champion Author Florida Posts:4,109 Points:522,290 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 3:25:45 AM Ignore spotterFL Report Abuse Gnusman53 - This was found from a source that is not Fox News:President Barack Obama’s Energy secretary unwittingly created a durable GOP talking point in September 2008 when he talked to The Wall Street Journal about the benefits of having gasoline prices rise over 15 years to encourage energy efficiency. “Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” So this attributed statement is a lie? I think not! Gnusman53 - You're nothing but a leftist Communist pig....and a lousy "Newsman".
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spotterFL Champion Author Florida Posts:4,109 Points:522,290 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 3:04:24 AM Ignore spotterFL Report Abuse Just wait until OBAMA is gone and the path south will be opened up.
nozzle46 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:6,695 Points:1,473,050 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 3:04:20 AM Ignore nozzle46 Report Abuse Even Canadians don't want the pipeline? Hmmm.
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Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,003 Points:1,111,445 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 2:58:41 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Sorry Boo1989... seems you like to lie about Chu. I suggest you do some real research if you want the truth....and not parrot FoxxxxxNewz idiots and liars.
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,003 Points:1,111,445 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 2:54:53 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Seems the only political twits are some of the posters.... sad... truly sad...
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JohnofGB Champion Author Flint Posts:5,421 Points:1,096,195 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 2:45:38 AM Ignore JohnofGB Report Abuse There are no real good alternatives.
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